I am REALLY STEAMED about this........

[Mr Rogers]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I just got off the phone with Jim at JR and he told me that their 8psi upgrade is still going to use the same FPR with the same rising rate (5:1) as the one the 6psi guys are already using, and still use stock injectors. How is this going to work? Obviously they're not going to warranty anything and they said the price will be right around $500.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't forget this one
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Now what will JR give you for $500? NADA $hit, a pulley, belt... maybe fuel pump and NO warranty. Total real world cost $225-250 WOW, what customer service.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, what a bunch of shit! I also just read the new SCC and JR did a Focus and in the article it talks about a "High-boost" kit from the 6psi kit for the damn Focus. THE F*CKING FOCUS KIT ISN'T EVEN AVAILABLE TILL JULY '00 We Integra peeps and Civic guys had been trying to get this shit along time ago and to see that a High-boost upgrade is already in the works for a kit that isn't even available sucks! The article says "Jackson has plans to offer at least one high-boost kit, which will not only increase boost, but will appropriately alter fuel and ignition curves as well." Oh really Well the only thing that would satisfy me would be if they offer US, the ones who went out on a limb and tested the waters a upgrade for our ECU's but I don't know if that will happen. It is very strange to see they arent't changing the two "scetchy" parts of our setup (injectors & riser) but I guess they see us using them with only one casualty (1fstGSR) so run with it? What about that fuel pump that cuts out at 90psi I don't know, I really like what I have in my JRSC, but it really burns me to see stuff like this and I read about how the fuel system is not characteristic of "most" super charged systems. Now I don't know much about other systems but the tip-in detonation that we see is due to this supposed "momentary bog at tip-in when the mixture goes lean for a fraction of a second" that we are not supposed to experience because we have a JRSC Actually here is what the article say in the Honda Tuning issue if SCC "Of course, we wouldn't have said so many good things about the JR kit if it did this, so obviously it doesn't have that bog" Not I am guessing they don't have anyway to monitor the system (A/F or J&S or a set of good ears) because we ALL have the same problem don't we? They always talk about how great the fuel setup is and how instantaneous it works and pre-loaded this and that but man, it is far from perfect. JR did a great job of keeping the cost down and getting us a "Good" setup up but the whole industry seems to think it is perfect. They don't even talk about the sluggishness that comes from running 8 degrees of timing, and why do they all think that the TB position is not moved in any of the setups except the Si? My locaton moved, didn't yours? I think the best line I have read in a JRSC article was the line that says it "offers effectively seamless drivability on the street", I think it should actually read, "offers seamingly effective drivability on the street" Now don't get me wrong, I do love my JRSC Teg but it is kinda like going to church and listening to the preacher talk about how great little Sarah Smith is when in reality she is the town whore. Not to say the JRSC kit sucks, but it is not perfect like the industry says over and over again. I originally wasn't going to say anything and just bite my tounge as I always do when I see this stuff but the whole Focus and the High-boost upgrade really got me going. Well, what do you guys think of all this?

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98 GS-scR w/ 8psi JRSC, Walbro HO fuel pump, AEM cai, Airmass header, Thermal Exhaust, Skunk Works cam gears, J&S safeguard, Ground Controls and KYB AGX's, and of course to slow down, KVR X-drill F&R rotors and Carbon Kevlar pads and V1 to signal the slowing down and soon to go on a Carbon Fiber diet,RC 310 steriods,and new sticky foot wear of the 555R type

[This message has been edited by Mr Rogers (edited June 07, 2000).]

[Holden]

The last time I talked with anyone at JR, it was Keith. He told that their salespeople were supposed to discourage people from going 8psi to absolve JR of liability and to not increase the number of "A JRSC blew up my engine" stories floating around.

This made sense and still makes sense.

I have a feeling the marketing and sales departments at JR have taken over and the technical guys are being left to take the fall.

We all know JR is out to make money. That's not a bad thing. Go USA. But if some shortsighted business man has decided to milk the cash cow (our kits!) for all it's worth and screw the future, that is a bad thing.

Here's another idea: The Honda community has figured out how to improve the kit and increase boost w/o any parts sold by JR. We know what an 8psi kit should cost, therefore, JR can't charge a premium, therefore they don't bother servicing us.

However, the Focus community probably has no clue what they are doing (yet!) with FI and remains a market segment where a high-boost kit can be sold at a premium. In comes JR, ready to rake in the dough.

Good? Bad? I don't know. If I owned JR and felt that most of my Honda customers will probably graduate to turbo's rather than buy more goodies from me, I might do just what they are doing. i.e. Looking for the richest market to service.

YMMV,

Greg

[AvanishV]

Mr Rogers,

When I was talking to Jim at JR, and he told me they're going to use the same FPR, I said to him, "and everything is working OK with that FPR at 8psi?" He said, "yeah, it works great, no problems whatsoever." I didn't want to get into an arguement with him but I think we see JR's profit-hungry mentality coming out.

They're obviously taking shortcuts to meet the demand of higher boost applications and covering their ass by not offering a warranty.

I just hope that anyone that's interested in buying a JR supercharger kit will look at resources like this board so they can profit from other's experiences, and won't be suckered into accepted whatever JR tells them.

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1995 Integra GSR
JR Supercharger (6 psi), HO fuel pump, RS*R Header, Thermal R&D Exhaust, Iceman Intake, Neuspeed Front Tower Bar, Type-R Rear Swaybar, Short Shifter, ST 1.3" drop springs

[Bryan-96'GSR]

As I've said many times before, all JR ever thinks about is money, he even laughs about how he rips people off, I mean come on the JRSC is a piece of shit to begin with. 500$ for a pulley/belt and no warranty, fun fun fun..

Bryan

[Mr Rogers]

Let's jsut make sure it is VERY clear that this is Jim at Jackson Racing and not Jim JRCivic. I was really confused at first when I saw this <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>When I was talking to Jim at JR, and he told me they're going to use the same FPR, I said to him, "and everything is working OK with that FPR at 8psi?" He said, "yeah, it works great, no problems whatsoever."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> and then realized it wasn't "our" Jim. I mean, I guess it works "fine enough" for someone who doesn't drive a JRSC car but the tip-in is reason enought to get rid of it, let alone the crazy fuel pressure it is "pre-loaded" and baselined at. This = bad (in the long run) for the stock injectors that they don't plan on upgrading.

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98 GS-scR w/ 8psi JRSC, Walbro HO fuel pump, AEM cai, Airmass header, Thermal Exhaust, Skunk Works cam gears, J&S safeguard, Ground Controls and KYB AGX's, and of course to slow down, KVR X-drill F&R rotors and Carbon Kevlar pads and V1 to signal the slowing down and soon to go on a Carbon Fiber diet,RC 310 steriods,and new sticky foot wear of the 555R type

[AvanishV]

Sorry if I wasn't clear in my original reply. I believe Mr Rogers got my quote off another thread in which I posted what Jim at Jackson Racing had told me.

Our Jim (JRCivic) would never claim that the 5:1 JR FPR is sufficient for 8psi. (or at least I wouldn't think he would)

By the way, Mr Rogers, what's your AIM screen name, if you have one?

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1995 Integra GSR
JR Supercharger (6 psi), HO fuel pump, RS*R Header, Thermal R&D Exhaust, Iceman Intake, Neuspeed Front Tower Bar, Type-R Rear Swaybar, Short Shifter, ST 1.3" drop springs

[This message has been edited by AvanishV (edited June 07, 2000).]

[Toxin]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AvanishV:
Mr Rogers,

When I was talking to Jim at JR, and he told me they're going to use the same FPR, I said to him, "and everything is working OK with that FPR at 8psi?" He said, "yeah, it works great, no problems whatsoever." I didn't want to get into an arguement with him but I think we see JR's profit-hungry mentality coming out.

They're obviously taking shortcuts to meet the demand of higher boost applications and covering their ass by not offering a warranty.

I just hope that anyone that's interested in buying a JR supercharger kit will look at resources like this board so they can profit from other's experiences, and won't be suckered into accepted whatever JR tells them.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just wanted to say thanks to all of the FI guys on here. I've never posted here before, I just lurk and soak up whatever information I can.

All the information all you guys post is appreciated. I've been able to learn a lot even though I have absolutely zero experience myself.

Matt

[Bigkat]

Jay - man you are going off. I feel you on this one. I hate Jackson Racing. Don't get me wrong I love my kit and will probably buy another one when this one goes or when my motor goes(over 104k) and I go w/ the GSR conversion. But, JR doesn't give a damn about us who actual try to tweak the most performance out of our set-ups. I know that many do not trust the guys at Endyn, but Larry and his guys are the only ones(besides us here) that are helping with the performance aspects of our kits. I read the SCC article on the SC'd Focuz. It made me laugh at how they compared it to a stock SI. But yet didn't compare it to a SC'd EX or DX. My coupe with nothing removed(w/ 565 watt Orion stereo system) and 17in Konig Octanes runs a 15.4 @88mph. What a JOKE! My question is why didn't Honda offer the damn D16y8 or B16A2 in a hatch? CTR's, like the ITR would sell like $1 table dances a DEJA VU. ........can a brotha get a table dance!!!!

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'95 Civic EX w/ JRSC(6psi)& Nos 25 shot,JG TB, Stillen 4-1 header, HKS 2 1/4 exh., '93 Lude VTEC fuel pump,MSD 6 BTM w/ Blaster SS Coil,APEXi SAFC, Autometer Boost/ Air-Fuel gauges, Centerforce D/F clutch, Act lighten flywheel, Eibach Pro's,Tokico Illuminas,Tenzo Front/ Rear Strut tower braces Best et: 13.98@101mph w/NOS

IN PROCESS:1992 5g VX Hatch w/ 93 Prelude 2.2L Vtec(donor)

[This message has been edited by Bigkat (edited June 07, 2000).]

[code10-54]

mr.rogers: whaz UP!--damn mann, cool yo jets, bro!--breath, breath mann...ya gonna bust a gut sweat'n over why Jackson aint doin dick for the integ and built'n that high boost shitz for that P.O.S. heap focuz. face it, da tegs is OUTTY--its been 7yrs. run'n--un-f--k' nheard of by honda standards...and they come'n out wid a nu teg or some luxo f--k vehicle ta replace this tired azz vehicle...so why bother develop'n new shitz for the old ba-itch ride...yeah, yeah, i likes me hoopdie teg as much as ya muthas but, its all bout jump'n on the next bandwagon...and get'n the cash $$$! i never knew why da hell they developed that kit for the CR-V?--da f--k??--most of them punks would rather have another cupholder installed or a diff roof rack for they little 2-wheel ba-itch ride while da foo drive'n wid a c-phone attached ta his f--k'n ear! of course them JRSC suckas aint gonna support that 8psi experimental bullshitz ya all are doing cuz its a lawsuit wait'n ta happen...those foos should jus address the det prob. wid they 6psi kit cuz i know that shitz aint perfect so don't push out garbage on the streets til its fixed on ALL kits! if ya die'n for mo' pwr then get a f--k'n turbo and see what kinda hell ya gonna be live'n--believe that...good luck,bro...

peace.

[Bigkat]

EXCACTLY what my man code10-54 said.


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'95 Civic EX w/ JRSC(6psi)& Nos 25 shot,JG TB, Stillen 4-1 header, HKS 2 1/4 exh., '93 Lude VTEC fuel pump,MSD 6 BTM w/ Blaster SS Coil,APEXi SAFC, Autometer Boost/ Air-Fuel gauges, Centerforce D/F clutch, Act lighten flywheel, Eibach Pro's,Tokico Illuminas,Tenzo Front/ Rear Strut tower braces Best et: 13.98@101mph w/NOS

IN PROCESS:1992 5g VX Hatch w/ 93 Prelude 2.2L Vtec(donor)